Dins&Heels wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:37 am
FUBeAR wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:14 pm
Dins&Heels wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:35 pm
As far as the NIL…it beats…the universities exploiting the players…
So, Furman University has been “exploiting” JP Pegues by providing him with a ~$300k education, plus whatever additional benefits he was receiving, as part of Furman’s nefarious scheme to lose money by sponsoring an NCAA D1 Athletics Program?
Typical outdated
thinking toward “student athletes”:
What about their free college ride, aren’t they
grateful just to have that?
Typical non-response to a relevant question.
There was no “thinking” expressed. There was no commentary on anyone’s FEELINGS - such as gratitude/gratefulness.
Your ‘restatement’ of FUBeAR’s question is not even remotely related to the question FUBeAR actually asked.
Let’s try again…with some timeless thinking (actually facts - not “thinking” or FEELINGS) expressed.
1) No more than about 50 (out of over 1,000) intercollegiate athletics programs in the US are currently profitable.
2) Furman University VPAD Jason Donnelly clearly stated this week in his “Ask the AD” conversation with Dan Scott that Furman is NOT one of those 50 programs.
3) FUBeAR is not privy to the financial statements, but he’s willing to conjecture that no single sport at Furman - including Football & Men’s Basketball - operates profitably. In other words, Furman loses money on each and every sport it sponsors. There is no direct financial benefit which accrues to Furman University (which FUBeAR believes is structured as a private corporation) from sponsoring any sport or even having an athletics program at all.
4) FUBeAR defers arguing the question of whether or not “players” that have been or are associated with those ~50 programs, that are or have been profitable, are being or have been exploited. It is an interesting question and one worthy of hearty debate, but it is well outside the scope of the context of this thread and forum.
5) You stated that “players” are “exploited” in the context of a discussion around Furman Basketball Player JP Pegues’ apparent decision to enter the transfer portal, i.e., to separate himself from Furman’s Athletics program. The implication a reasonable person may infer from your comment is that JP Pegues has been “exploited” by Furman University.
6) The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy defines “exploitation” as follows: To exploit someone is to take unfair advantage of them. It is to use another person’s vulnerability for one’s own benefit.
So, to restate and better state FUBeAR’s original question…
Is it your contention that Furman University has been taking unfair advantage of JP Pegues’ vulnerability - while providing him with a ~$300k education, plus whatever additional benefits he was receiving - as part of Furman’s plan to derive the ‘benefit’ of losing money via sponsoring an intercollegiate Men’s Basketball Team?
If so, how so?
How or why is or has Mr. Pegues, specifically, been “vulnerable?”
How has Furman University capitalized upon or specifically taken advantage of Mr. Pegues’ specific vulnerability to benefit Furman University?
What is the real benefit (over and above associated costs and fair market value of goods and/or services provided by Furman to Mr. Pegues) that Furman University has derived from its association or relationship with Mr. Pegues, exclusively? NOTE: “Exclusively” is an important part of that question. “Exclusively” strips away the additive values of Coaches, Trainers, Teammates, and ALL Athletics and Academic Support Staff provided by Furman University. We must remove all of that to properly assess the value of the unique benefit that Mr. Pegues INDEPENDENTLY provided to Furman University in order to assess if he has been, in fact, “exploited” by Furman University and to what level that exploitation has benefited Furman.
Feel free to respond with an intelligent legitimate answer to the ACTUALLY STATED question(s) or with continued typical keyboard warrior snark. FUBeAR don’t care. He enjoys both - to varying degrees.
